Q3 2024 Broadcom Inc Earnings Call

Participants

Hock Tan; President, Chief Executive Officer, Director; Broadcom Inc

Kirsten Spears; Chief Financial Officer, Chief Accounting Officer; Broadcom Inc

Vivek Arya; Analyst; BofA Global Research (US)

William Stein; Analyst; Truist Securities

Ross Seymore; Analyst; Deutsche Bank Securities Inc.

Stacy Rasgon; Analyst; Bernstein Institutional Services LLC

Ben Reitzes; Analyst; Melius Research LLC

Karl Ackerman; Analyst; BNP Paribas Securities Corp.

Timothy Arcuri; Analyst; UBS Securities LLC

Harsh Kumar; Analyst; Piper Sandler & Co.

CJ Muse; Analyst; Cantor Fitzgerald & Co.

Chris Caso; Analyst; Wolfe Research, LLC

Christopher Rolland; Analyst; Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP

Aaron Rakers; Analyst; Wells Fargo Securities, LLC

Joe Moore; Analyst; Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC

Harlan Sur; Analyst; J.P. Morgan Securities LLC

Edward Snyder; Analyst; Charter Equity Research

Presentation

Operator

Welcome to Broadcom Inc., third-quarter fiscal year 2024 financial results conference call. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Ji Yoo, Head of Investor Relations of Broadcom Inc.

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on today’s call are Hock Tan, President and CEO; Kirsten Spears, Chief Financial Officer; and Charlie Kawwas, President Semiconductor Solutions Group. Broadcom distributed a press release and financial tables after the market closed describing our financial performance for the third quarter of fiscal year 2024. If you did not receive a copy, you may obtain the information from the Investors section of Broadcom’s website at broadcom.com.
This conference call is being webcast live. An audio replay of the call can be accessed for one year through the Investors section of Broadcom’s website.
During the prepared comments, Hock and Kirsten will be providing details of our third-quarter fiscal year 2024 results, guidance for our fourth quarter of fiscal year 2024, as well as commentary regarding the business environment. We’ll take questions after the end of our prepared comments.
Please refer to our press release today and our recent filings with the SEC for information on the specific risk factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements made on this call. In addition to US GAAP reporting, Broadcom reports certain financial measures on a non-GAAP basis. A reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP measures is included in the tables attached to today’s press release. Comments made during today’s call will primarily refer to our non-GAAP financial results.
I will now turn the call over to Hock.

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Hock Tan

Thank you, Ji, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. In our fiscal Q3 2024, consolidated net revenue of $13.1 billion was up 47% year on year, and operating profit was up 44% year on year. These strong results reflected three key factors: one, AI revenue continues to grow and grow strongly; two, VMware bookings continue to accelerate; and three, non-AI semiconductor revenue has stabilized.
Before I give you more color on our two reporting segments, let me give you a quick update on guidance. Now we started the year providing annual guidance with quarterly updates as we run the process of integrating VMware. Things are now much more stable, and we are in the first — sorry, and we’re in the final quarter of 2024. So instead of giving you annual guidance, we now revert to providing the quarterly guidance for Q4.
Starting with software, in Q3, infrastructure software segment revenue of $5.8 billion was up 200% year on year driven by $3.8 billion in revenue contribution from VMware. The transformation of the business model of VMware continues to progress very well. In fact, last week, we held a well-attended VMware Explore Conference in Las Vegas, our first as a combined company. This event was all about promoting VMware Cloud Foundation, or VCF, which is the full software stack that virtualizes an entire data center and creates a private cloud environment on-prem for enterprises.
The success of this strategy is reflected in our performance in fiscal Q3. We booked more than 15 million CPU cores of VCF, representing over 80% of the total VMware products we booked during the quarter. And this translates into an annualized booking value, or ABV as I had described before, of $2.5 billion during Q3, up 32% from the preceding quarter.
Meanwhile, we continue to drive down costs in VMware. We brought VMware spending down to $1.3 million in Q3 from $1.6 million in Q2. And when we acquired VMware, our target was to deliver adjusted EBITDA of $8.5 billion within three years of the acquisition. We are well on the path to achieving or even exceeding this EBITDA goal in the next fiscal ’25.
Now turning to semiconductors. In networking, Q3 revenue of $4 billion grew 43% year on year, representing 55% of semiconductor revenue. This was again driven by strong demand from hyperscalers for both AI networking and our custom AI accelerators. As you know, our hyperscale customers continue to scale up and scale out their AI clusters. Custom AI accelerators grew 3.5 times year on year.
In the fabric, Ethernet switching, driven by Tomahawk 5 and Jericho3-AI grew over 4 times year on year, while our optical lasers and PIN diodes used in optical interconnects grew three-fold. Meanwhile, PCI Express Switches more than doubled, and we’re shipping in volume our industry-leading 5-nanometer, 400-gigabit per second NICs and 800-gigabit per second DSPs.
So now let me give you more color on our networking products which are not used in AI. As we had indicated last quarter, we believe we hit bottom in Q2. And in Q3, non-AI networking was up actually 17% sequentially even as it was down 41% year on year. We expect this level of revenue to sustain in Q4 and the year-on-year decline to moderate to 30%. So in adding the strength we continue to see in AI, we expect total networking revenue to grow over 40% year on year in Q4.
Across enterprise infrastructure, we see the same trend of recovery in server storage. Our Q3 server storage connectivity revenue was $861 million, up 5% sequentially and down 25% year on year. In Q4, we expect server storage revenue to grow mid- to high-single-digit percent sequentially even as revenue is expected to be down high-single-digit percent year on year.
Moving on to wireless. Q3 wireless revenue of $1.7 billion grew 1% year on year, representing 23% of semiconductor revenue. And in Q4, reflecting the launch of next-generation devices and our North American customers, we expect wireless revenue to actually grow over 20% sequentially even as it will be relatively flat year on year.
On to broadband, Q3 revenue declined 49% year on year to $557 million, [and] represented 8% of semiconductor revenue. Broadband remains weak on a continued pause in telco and service provider spending. And in Q4, we expect broadband to continue to be down over 40% year on year, but we do expect that recovery to begin in ’25.
Finally, Q3 industrial resales of $164 million declined 31% year on year. We believe we are approaching bottom in Q3 as Q4 resales are expected to recover sequentially. Year on year, Q4 industrial resales will still be down approximately 20%.
In summary, here are the trends we are seeing in semiconductors. In aggregate, we have reached bottom in our non-AI markets, and we’re expecting a recovery in Q4. AI demand remains strong and we expect, in Q4, AI revenue to grow sequentially 10% to over $3.5 billion. This will translate to AI revenue of $12 billion for fiscal ’24, up from our prior guidance of over $11 billion.
Putting it all together with software, here’s our forecast for Q4. We expect Q4 semiconductor revenue of approximately $8 billion, up 9% year on year. For infrastructure software, we expect revenue to be about $6 billion. So we are guiding Q4 consolidated revenue to be approximately $14 billion, which is up 51% year on year.
We also expect this will drive Q4 consolidated adjusted EBITDA to achieve approximately 64% of revenue. This Q4 guidance would imply we are raising the outlook for our fiscal 2024 revenue to $51.5 billion and adjusted EBITDA for the year to [61.5%].
And with that, let me turn the call over to Kirsten.

Kirsten Spears

Thank you, Hock. Let me now provide additional detail on our Q3 financial performance. Consolidated revenue was $13.1 billion for the quarter, up 47% from a year ago. Excluding the contribution from VMware, Q3 revenue increased 4% year on year. Gross margins were 77.4% of revenue in the quarter. R&D was $1.5 billion, and consolidated operating expenses were $2.2 billion, up year on year primarily due to the consolidation of VMware.
Q3 operating income was $7.9 billion and was up 44% from a year ago, with operating margin at 61% of revenue. Excluding transition costs, operating profit of $8 billion was up 45% from a year ago with operating margin of 62% of revenue. Adjusted EBITDA was $8.2 billion or 63% of revenue. This figure excludes $149 million of depreciation.
Now a review of the P&L for our two segments, starting with semis. Revenue for our semiconductor solutions segment was $7.3 billion and represented 56% of total revenue in the quarter. This was up 5% year on year. Gross margins for our semiconductor solutions segment were approximately 68%, down 270 basis points year on year, driven primarily by a higher mix of custom AI accelerators. Operating expenses increased 11% year on year to $881 million on increased investment in R&D, resulting in semiconductor operating margins of 56%.
Now moving on to infrastructure software. Revenue for infrastructure software was $5.8 billion, up 200% year on year primarily due to the contribution of VMware and represented 44% of revenue. Gross margins for infrastructure software were 90% in the quarter, and operating expenses were $1.3 billion in the quarter, resulting in infrastructure software operating margin of 67%. Excluding transition costs, operating margin was 69%.
Moving on to cash flow. Free cash flow in the quarter was $4.8 billion and represented 37% of revenues. Excluding cash used for restructuring and integration of $529 million, free cash flows of $5.3 billion were up 14% year on year and represented 41% of revenue.
Free cash flow as a percentage of revenue has declined from the same quarter a year ago due to higher cash interest expense from debt related to the VMware acquisition and higher cash taxes due to a higher mix of US income and the continued delay in the reenactment of Section 174. We spent $172 million on capital expenditures.
Days sales outstanding were 32 days in the quarter, in line with the year ago. We ended the third quarter with inventory of $1.9 billion, up 3% sequentially. Note that we continue to remain disciplined on how we manage inventory across the ecosystem.
We ended the third quarter with $10 billion of cash and $72.3 billion of gross principal debt. During the quarter, we replaced $5 billion of floating rate notes with new fixed senior notes. We used the proceeds from the completed sale of VMware’s end-user computing business to KKR, and cash on hand to reduce floating rate debt by an additional $4.2 billion.
Following these actions, the weighted average coupon rate and years to maturity of our $53 billion in fixed rate debt is 3.6% and 7.7 years, respectively. The weighted average coupon rate and years to maturity of our $19 billion in floating rate debt is 6.7% and 3.1 years, respectively. We expect to repay approximately $1.9 billion of fixed rate senior notes due in Q4.
Turning to capital allocation. In Q3, we paid stockholders $2.5 billion of cash dividends, which based on a split-adjusted quarterly common stock count, represented a cash dividend of $0.525 per share. For Q4, we are rounding up the quarterly cash dividend to $0.53 per share.
In Q3, the split-adjusted non-GAAP diluted share count was 4.92 billion, in line with expectations. We paid $1.4 billion of withholding taxes due on vesting of employee equity, resulting in the elimination of 8.4 million AVGO shares. In Q4, we expect the non-GAAP diluted share count to be approximately 4.91 billion shares.
Now on to guidance. Our guidance for Q4 is for consolidated revenue of $14 billion and adjusted EBITDA of approximately 64%. For modeling purposes, we expect consolidated gross margins to be down approximately 100 basis points sequentially on the higher revenue mix of semiconductors and product mix within semiconductors. GAAP net income and cash flows in Q4 are impacted by higher taxes, restructuring, and integration-related cash costs due to the VMware acquisition. As Hock just discussed, we are resuming quarterly revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance for fiscal 2025 as fiscal year ’24 has been a transition and integration year following the VMware deal close.
That concludes my prepared remarks. Operator, please open up the call for questions.

Question and Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions)
Vivek Arya, Bank of America.

Vivek Arya

Thanks for taking my question. Just a clarification, Hock, and then the question. So I think AI revenue roughly $3.1 billion-ish in Q3, flattish sequentially. What was the mix in terms of compute versus networking? And the $3.5 billion for Q4, what do you see as that mix?
And then as we get into fiscal ’25, I realize you’re not guiding overall AI, but just how is your general kind of confidence and visibility? Do you think that Broadcom can kind of grow in line or better than the overall AI silicon industry in fiscal ’25?

Hock Tan

Yes. Well, as we indicated in the last earnings call, for this past quarter, I think we’re talking about two-thirds in compute and one-third in networking. And we kind of expect Q4 to run the similar trend. And as far to answer your second part, no, we don’t guide yet for fiscal ’25, but we do expect fiscal ’25 to continue to be strong — to show strong growth on our AI revenue.

Operator

William Stein, Truist Securities.

William Stein

Great. Thanks for taking my question. Hock, one of the things that we’ve picked up from both suppliers and the broader ecosystem in AI, I think we heard this from NVIDIA as well, that there was a shift in their revenue in the quarter, somewhat away from cloud service providers towards enterprise. And I wondered if that might potentially have a slowing effect on your revenue outlook in this end market because your participation is really pretty focused on the cloud customers. I wonder if you’re seeing that, if you view it as a challenge or maybe you have a contrary view. Thank you.

Hock Tan

Okay. Well, it’s an interesting question in terms of the shift. But see, we do not focus very much on enterprise AI market as you know, Will. Our products in AI are largely — very much largely focused, especially on the AI accelerator or XPU side but even — also just as much on networking side, on hyperscalers, on cloud — those three large platform and some digital natives, what you call big guys. We don’t deal very much on AI with enterprise. So we obviously don’t see that trend.

Operator

Ross Seymore, Deutsche Bank.

Ross Seymore

Hi. Thanks for the question. I wanted to pivot over to the software side of things. Hock, it seems like, obviously, the VMware business had a great fiscal third quarter. It seems like the classic Broadcom software fell off.
So I guess the two-part question is, what happened in the classic Broadcom side of things to create that volatility? And are we now kind of reaching that $4 billion base in the fourth quarter that you talked about with VMware? And if so, what are the puts and takes in the growth rate as we look into the future on that business?

Hock Tan

Well, as far as we indicated, the VMware business continues to book very well as we convert our customers very much in two ways, one from perpetual to a subscription license but also those subscription license for the full stack of VCF. And that has been very successful, as I indicated, given the high ratio of VCF subscribers and new subscribers that we have achieved. And we see this trend continuing in Q4 very much so and also very likely through into ’25.
So in terms of directional trend, other than the indication I’m giving — than the guidance I’m giving you in Q4 ’24, directionally, we continue to see accelerated bookings and, by extension, accelerated growth.

Operator

Stacy Rasgon, Bernstein.

Stacy Rasgon

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I have two short ones, one on each segment. So on semis, the non-AI networking is like more than 50% below where it was running before it rolled off. And clearly, the other businesses are also way below their peaks. Is there any reason why those shouldn’t — and this is just cyclical or is there something else going on? Is there any reason why those shouldn’t get back to prior levels once recovery happens?
And then on the on the software side, so the non-VMware pieces looks like it’s back to that 2 billion-ish a quarter level or so that it was at before. Is that just Brocade falling off? And is this sort of 2 billion-ish a quarter — is that bottomed as well? Is that the right level, we ought to be thinking about the growth after the non-VMware software business as we go forward from here?

Hock Tan

Yeah. On the semi side, the answer is very simple. We have — as you all know, we’ve gone through your typical down cycle of semiconductors. And I’m referring particularly to non-AI, and we have talked about that before many times. We’ve gone through a down cycle — and as the ecosystem as many of our customers, but the broad ecosystems work on an adjustment in inventory levels at all stages in the supply chain. And we’re not totally — we are not immune from it, obviously, as we try to insulate ourselves from it as much as possible.
We’ve gone through it and the signs — the indications we have seen very clearly is we have, in fact, passed through the bottom. The best indicator is the bookings we are receiving. In non-AI, our bookings in Q3 of non-AI semiconductor demand is up 20%. And so also this — we are well on the way to recovery.
Now by end markets, as I indicated, the level of the amount of recovery, the timing of recovery somewhat varies. But we’re seeing largely on enterprise, enterprise data center, enterprise IT spending, we’ve passed the bottom. And Q3 was, in fact, sequentially, a recovery from the bottom of, we believe Q2 or Q1 this fiscal year. And we’ll see Q4 continuing that recovery and obviously, in our view, into ’25 in terms of the cycle.
Broadband, we are not seeing it yet in terms of the bottom, but we see that as close to bottom in the sense that here again, bookings are up from where it used to be. And so we are very clear in thinking that broadly, we have, as a whole, non-AI semiconductors. We’ve gone through the down cycle; it is on an uptick. And like all previous cycles, my sense, Stacy, is we will get us back to the level we used to be. There’s no reason at all why it doesn’t and given the rate of bookings, it will go.
I daresay — even put a thought in your mind that as AI permeates enterprises all across and digital natives, you need to upgrade servers. You need to upgrade storage. You need to upgrade networking, connectivity across the entire ecosystem. And if anything else, we are — we could be headed for up cycle — timing precisely when, we’re not sure — but an up cycle, that could even meet or even surpass what our previous up cycles would be, simply because the amount of bandwidth you need, the amount — to manage, store, manage all these workloads that come out of AI would just need to refresh and upgrade hardware.
So that’s my two cents’ worth on where we’re headed from this down cycle. So my belief in ’24 was the lowest point for the uptick. That’s part of the reasons we are stating it very clearly here.
On the software side, your question, no, I think we have reached a level of stability that puts and takes — Brocade as one of those that goes up and down, very volatile, and that’s largely it. But on the non-VMware revenue, on software revenue, I think we’ve reached a level of very clear stability. And what we are looking towards more is how VMware picks up over the next several — 1 year, 1.5 years.

Operator

Ben Reitzes, Melius Research.

Ben Reitzes

Hey. Thanks a lot for the question. Hock, I wanted to ask you about semiconductors, your AI revenue, if you could just clarify some of your comments. Was the third quarter 3.1-sh in line with your expectations and it was anything weaker than expected? And then with the sequential growth, the 3.5, where are you expecting that to come from?
And then if you don’t mind, you said next year AI revenue should grow quite a bit. I was just wondering if that was due to any additional customers within your hyperscaler and consumer Internet portfolio. Thanks.

Hock Tan

Well, our number in third quarter is pretty much in line what we expect AI revenue to be. And our revenue in Q4 was — forecast for Q4 is what is giving us the basis to a large extent to step up our guidance for AI revenue for the full year to over $12 billion. So if nothing else, that continues to indicate, I hope to us, that next year, the trend will continue to be strong.
And again, it’s all largely hyperscalers, cloud, and digital natives. And it’s, again, a mix of AI accelerators and networking. And it’s also largely based on backlog we have in place for that. Beyond that — and it shows the growth. Beyond that, no, we’re not guiding you beyond the backlog we have. So I kind of answer your question indirectly on, do I have any more customers; we shall see.

Operator

Karl Ackerman, BNP Paribas.

Karl Ackerman

Thank you. Curious and I was hoping you could speak to the relocation of IP back to the US that is causing a $4.5 billion tax liability. Historically, Broadcom has redomiciled ahead of a pending transaction, and I’m getting questions from investors if this action may relate to any asset sales as the company seeks to pay down debt. So if you could clarify that, that would be helpful.

Kirsten Spears

Yeah. No, it was just the timing of when we chose to do it this time. And no, it doesn’t have anything to do with that. It’s just we relocated the IP, and that caused the $4 billion charge. The offset to that is a deferred tax liability, so think of that as non-cash, very little cash impact to that.

Operator

Timothy Arcuri, UBS.

Timothy Arcuri

Thanks a lot. Hock, I wanted to ask about the growth rate in your AI revenue versus what we’re seeing on the GPU side. Your AI revenue grew in the same zip code this year is what the GPU compute is growing. And you did say that it would be up next year, but your main customer’s ramping a new version of their custom ASIC next year, and there’s some thought that they might shift some of their purchasing back to GPUs next year.
So do you think that the growth of your AI revenue should still approximately track how much GPU compute is going to grow next year? If you can give us any qualitative or quantitative thoughts there, that would be great. Thank you.

Hock Tan

Hey, Tim. I think we had some communication gaps here. Could you repeat the question?

Timothy Arcuri

Yes. So the question, Hock, really is around the growth rate of your AI revenue versus what we’re seeing on the GPU side because this year, you grew about the same as what GPU compute’s growing. And the question is, is there anything happening next year that would change that equation so that your growth rate of your AI revenue would be materially different than what GPU compute is growing next year?

Hock Tan

That’s a very difficult question for me to answer because it comes in two parts, right? In terms of GPU growth, you should ask the guys who does merchant GPU or GPU which is obviously, NVIDIA and [AFD]. And I don’t see — I don’t play in the enterprise market at all. See, that’s part of the market I don’t see. Having said that, they do both play somewhat in the hyperscalers, where I’m totally focused on doing.
So that’s really very — there’s really no connection one with the other, that is, it’s indirect. But enough suffice for me to say long term — I’m saying actually and thoughtfully, long term, the large hyperscalers, few and large hyperscalers with very large platforms, huge consumer platform subscriber base have the entire model predicated on running a lot of large language models, a lot of AI requirements, workloads out there. And it will drive as a matter of time, towards creating as much as possible their own compute silicon, their own custom accelerators as a matter of time. And we are in the midst of seeing that transition, which may take several — a few years for that to happen.
So that is on a different trajectory, a different path, and I’m in that path of doing this, enabling custom accelerators. I’m in that path. I’m not in a path of, in the meantime, a different trajectory of enabling enterprises to do AI on their own workloads. That’s more the merchant guys. Some of the merchant guys obviously also in the hyperscaler today, but there’s a process, obviously, of a transition going on.
So one doesn’t really connect with the other theme in that regard. But I would likely say obviously, as the transition occurs, we have a good tailwind in the business model we have of providing accelerators and networking to the AI data centers of those large hyperscalers.

Operator

Harsh Kumar, Piper Sandler.

Harsh Kumar

Yeah, Hock, I was curious about the profitability of VMware. Historically, your software businesses have had operating margins greater than 70%. VMware, I know, is newer, and you’re doing things a little different. You’re keeping more customers than you historically have kept. But I was curious if you see a similar profile as the rest of your software businesses for VMware after you’re done with all the cuts and everything.

Hock Tan

Well, I’ll let you draw your own conclusion, Harsh, but I was — the pain is to lay out as you probably heard. In Q3, our revenue from VMware was $3.8 billion and our operating expenses is $1.3 billion. And you can pretty quickly figure out where we’re headed in terms of operating margin and, as I indicated, EBITDA margin. And Q4, we’ll continue the trajectory of revenue continuing to grow and expenses starting — still dropping even as it starts to stabilize but continue to reduce.

Operator

CJ Muse, Cantor Fitzgerald.

CJ Muse

Yeah, good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question. I wanted to focus on software gross margin. So when you closed the acquisition of VMware, we ticked lower from low 90s to kind of high 80s. And we’re now pushing a bit higher into July. And curious, as we kind of get to that $4 billion threshold, and you’ve kind of indicated higher in fiscal ’25, how should we think about the gross margin trajectory overall for software?

Hock Tan

Well, it’s, for us, software gross margin is actually — to be direct, it’s not that relevant. You know that, right? So unless I’m running SaaS, big time. Now a lot of our products on subscription but they’re not SaaS. We have some products on SaaS cloud-based, but most of them are not. And our gross margin will be around 90%, at least.

Operator

Chris Casey, Wolfe Research.

Chris Caso

Yeah, thank you. Good evening. I wonder if you could speak to the custom AI revenue and perhaps the contribution from some of the other customers aside from that largest customer. How meaningful are the other customers in that segment? And what do you expect into next year as some of those newer projects start to ramp?

Hock Tan

Well, I know we’re dancing around the thing. As I indicated, we have three customers now going on, and all three of them are meaningful. Otherwise, we won’t call them customers as the criteria we’ve used. Until we get meaningful shipments out to them on AI accelerators, we do not really consider that as a customer.
Simply because it’s a new — this is an emerging trend. It’s not an easy product to deploy for any customer. And so we do not consider proof of concepts as production volume. These are all production accelerators deployed in AI data centers of those three customers.

Operator

Christopher Rolland, Susquehanna.

Christopher Rolland

Hi. Thanks for the question. My question is actually on storage. And Hock, you bought Seagate’s hard disk drive SoC assets earlier in the year. Can you talk about what you actually bought there, what it means in terms of economics for your company, and whether this accelerates your storage business over the next few years? Thanks.

Hock Tan

Well, this is more of a partnership than anything else. Basically, what we essentially created in that transaction was to begin with, we actually believe long term in the sustainability of hard disk drives media as a great long-term sustainable storage — alternative or storage medium for those hyperscalers. It makes sense. One lighting, eventually, everything goes to flash — don’t think so.
Hard disk drive storage, it will still be meaningful. And the technology, which is most interesting for us, has a lot of ways to go as hard disk drives goes on to — from where it is today, which is 22, 23, 24 terabytes to going to 30, 40, and even 50 terabytes. A lot of technology along the way and a lot of that resides in silicon.
So what we’re doing, in effect, is a collaboration more than anything else, though it’s structured, obviously, as a purchase of intellectual property. But we’re also taking engineers, designers, combining it with the designers we have and basically enabling Seagate and eventually the entire industry to continue a road map that goes towards 50 terabytes. That’s our ambition. That’s our vision, and to be able to do that within five years or less. So that’s pretty much what it is. It’s a statement of our belief that hard disk drives, nearline hard disk drive storage will sustain very well over the next five years, if not longer.

Operator

Aaron Rakers, Wells Fargo.

Aaron Rakers

Yeah, thanks for taking the question. Kind of thinking strategically as we look forward ahead to NVIDIA’s Blackwell product cycle. There’s been some indications that possibly Broadcom has an opportunity to participate more deeply in the optical side of that product platform from NVIDIA.
I’m curious, do you see that as an opportunity relative to prior generations of NVIDIA just to deepen a participation or just to participate in general in kind of the areas of DSPs and maybe other things related to the Blackwell cycle from NVIDIA? Thank you.

Hock Tan

That’s an interesting question, and I’ve got simple answer. I’m not really participating in NVIDIA road map. I’m really not directly in that kind of market, in that kind of product road map. That’s NVIDIA product road map in terms of Blackwell. Impressive product, on the way to coming out.
Now in terms of base technology we developed, of course, it could be used, it could be applied. And we are very happy to share that with — as it may be useful to get — to enable Blackwell to be part of that, whether it’s on the optical component side, which is what you’re referring to or even on the DSP side, in terms of providing the interconnects to enable clusters of Blackwell to be built. That’s as far as our engagement in that.
We’re happy to be part of that ecosystem as I said. But directly, we’re not in that market as you know.

Operator

Joe Moore, Morgan Stanley.

Joe Moore

Great, thank you. I wonder, Hock, if you could talk about your thoughts on further M&A. Is that still on your radar down the road? And if you did, would it be still software-focused or any possibility of semiconductors becoming interesting to you again?

Hock Tan

Joe, that’s a beautiful question. I’m telling this bluntly, so don’t get disappointed. Right now, I’m having my hands really full and enjoying myself doing it on really turning, transforming the business model of VMware. It’s a great experience and you’re feeling great about it when you do — and when you’re doing it pretty much running way beyond expectation as we indicated in that slide.
So no, I’m very focused on getting VMware continue — as it continues to accelerate in getting private cloud deployed in the largest enterprises in the world. And you know what, might another year, two years to go to make that transformation totally complete.

Operator

Harlan Sur, JPMorgan.

Harlan Sur

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Hock, last quarter, you talked about an acceleration in R&D investments by your AI customers, and you talked about your follow-on wins for their next-generation XPU ASIC programs. It also looks like they’re trying to accelerate their deployments of their GPUs, XPUs, and networking into their data centers here in the second half of the year. We know that on AI accelerators specifically, supply is quite tight, given the co-ops packaging and the HBM memory constraints.
So has the team seen upside orders and demand for XPUs and networking here in the second half? Have you been able to meet that upside demand or is the team somewhat supply constrained? I guess in other words, is the AI demand greater than your supply here in the second half of the year?

Hock Tan

Yeah. No, we are. We continue to see some orders. We continue to see upsides. And you are right in the pattern of the behavior they’re doing because, as you know, as our customers, these hyperscalers trying to deploy more and more capacity of AI data centers — in AI data centers, and you start to hear them talk in terms of power. They don’t even talk in terms of how many XPU or GPU plus they found in there. 500 megawatt, 1 gigawatt was no chance but people dreaming that.
So we are — as they get this enable, we’re getting full-ins, we’re getting upsides. And I expect that to happen a lot more in 2025. We’re not putting that in any guidance or indication we’re giving you. But I told you what you say is exactly right on. We do expect to see upside as we’ve been seeing recently. We continue to see that probably going forward over the next 12 months, especially related to XPUs getting deployed and getting infrastructure available and rushing to deploy them. We see quite a bit of that.

Harlan Sur

Have you been able to meet that upside or are you somewhat limited by supply constraints?

Hock Tan

We can meet those upsides.

Operator

Edward Snyder, Charter Equity Research.

Edward Snyder

Thank you very much. Hock, that was a perfect segue into my question. You’ve said in the past calls that you thought that AI compute would move away from ASICs and go to merchant market. But it looks like the trend is kind of heading the other way. Are you still the opinion that that’s going to be the long-term trend of this?
And secondly, as you just pointed out, power is becoming the defining factor for deployment with all the big guys at this point. And given the performance per watt of the ASICs over GPUs, which is superior to GPUs, why shouldn’t we see more of these guys moving to custom ASICs?
I know it takes a long time, and it takes a lot of funding, et cetera. But especially as the enterprise starts getting more involved with this, there are going to be some applications that are kind of standard across some of the enterprises — wouldn’t we even see some of the bigger — like AWS, move to a custom silicon for a specific workload? So basically, the overall trend in ASICs in AI. Thanks.

Hock Tan

Okay. Ed, did I hear you right to say at the beginning — maybe I didn’t — that you meant that there is a trend towards ASIC or XPU from general purpose GPU, right?

Edward Snyder

Yes.

Hock Tan

You’re right, and you’re correct in pointing out to me that, hey, I used to think that general purpose merchant silicon will win at the end of the day. Well, based on history of semiconductors mostly so far, general purpose merchant silicon tends to win. But like you, I flipped in my view. And I did that, by the way, last quarter, maybe even six months ago. But nonetheless, catching up is good.
And I actually think so, because I actually think there are two markets here on AI accelerators. There’s one market for enterprises of the world, and none of these enterprises are incapable nor have the financial resources or interest to create the silicon — the custom silicon, nor the large language models or the software and going maybe to be able to run those AI workloads on custom silicon. It’s too much, and there’s no reason for them to do it, because it’s just too expensive to do it.
But there are those few cloud guys, hyperscalers with the scale of the platform and the financial wherewithal for them to make it totally rational, economically rational, to create their own custom accelerators, because it’s all — right now, not going to — not trying to emphasize it, it’s all about compute engines. It’s all about especially training those large language models and enabling it on your platform. It’s all about constraint, to a large part, about GPUs.
Seriously, it came to a point where GPUs are more important than engineers — these hyperscalers in terms of how they think. Those GPUs are much more — or XPUs are much more important. And if that’s the case, what better thing to do than bring it under the control of their own destiny by creating your own custom silicon accelerators. And that’s what I’m seeing all of them do. It’s just doing it at different rates and do — and they’re starting at different times, but they all have started.
And obviously, it takes time to get there. But they’re all — a lot of them, there are a lot of learning in the process versus what the biggest guy of them who has done longest have been doing for seven years. Others are trying to catch up, and it takes time. I’m not saying they’ll take seven years. I think they’ll be accelerated, but it will still take some time step by the time to get there.
But those few hyperscalers platform guys will create their own if they haven’t already done it and start to train them on their large language models. And that is, yeah, you’re right; they will on go in that direction totally into ASIC or, as we call it, XPUs, custom silicon. Meanwhile, there’s still a market for in enterprise for merchant silicon.

Edward Snyder

Right. That basically suggests that you’re on the early part of your curve where — I’m not trying to call it GPUs whatever — but you could be getting to something closer to the peak of the GPU market just because everything, right, beside the cost expense. And as you’re spending all this money and you’re paying all this money for power, the ASICs become more and more attractive. So the curves are going to look different, right?

Hock Tan

It’s an accelerating curve. It may take longer than we all like it to happen but definitely accelerating, because the size of those — and the size of the demand from those hyperscalers will totally rival that in the enterprise.

Operator

Thank you. And that is all the time we have for our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to Ji Yoo for any closing remarks.

Thank you, operator. This quarter, Broadcom will be presenting at the Goldman Sachs Communacopia and Technology Conference on Wednesday, September 11 in San Francisco. Broadcom currently plans to report its earnings for the fourth quarter and fiscal year 2024 after the close of market on Thursday, December 12, 2024. A public webcast of Broadcom’s earnings conference call will follow at 2:00 PM Pacific.
That will conclude our earnings call today. Thank you, all, for joining. Operator, you may end the call.

Operator

This concludes today’s program. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect.